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Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
No, Not Godwin. An interesting look at 'Envious Ruthlessness.'
Book Review:
ATAT�RK IN THE NAZI IMAGINATION
By Stefan Ihrig - Harvard, 311 pages
Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The F�hrer admired Atat�rk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By DOMINIC GREEN
Wall Street Journal - Jan. 16, 2015
‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a M�nnerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
For decades, historians have seen Hitler’s Beer Hall Putsch of 1923 as emulating Mussolini ’s 1922 March on Rome. Not so, says Stefan Ihrig in “Atat�rk in the Nazi Imagination.” Hitler also had Turkey in mind—and not just the 1908 march of the Young Turks on Constantinople, which brought down a government. After 1917, the bankrupt, defeated and cosmopolitan Ottoman Empire contracted into a vigorous “Turanic” nation-state. In the early 1920s, the new Turkey was the first “revisionist” power to opt out of the postwar system, retaking lost lands on the Syrian coast and control over the Strait of the Dardanelles. Hitler, Mr. Ihrig writes, saw Turkey as the model of a “prosperous and v�lkisch modern state.”
Muslim recruits of the SS Handzar Division pray in 1943.
HARVARD UNIVERSITY PRESS; GERMAN ARCHIVES
Through the 1920s and 1930s, Nazi publications lauded Turkey as a friend and forerunner.
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Im not paying 12 bucks a month to read this article.
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Too interesting for you?
Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist
Harvard, WSJ, Ihrig, etc.
Too expensive when you can read and Spam up Your own Fascist Putin's RT
and Iran's PressTV.ir for Free?
In any case, your usual Lack of substance post.
Turkish Daily Hurriyet thought it was well worth the effort.
Atat�rk in the Nazi imagination
William Armstrong 12-18-14
‘Atat�rk in the Nazi Imagination’ by Stefan Ihrig (Harvard University Press)
Atat�rk in the Nazi imagination - FOLDED CORNER
It isn’t easy to find much Original to say about Nazi Germany, but this new title on the Nazis’ view of Turkey and Mustafa Kemal Atat�rk has recently caused quite a stir. Harvard historian Stefan Ihrig’s Deeply Researched book explores the Extraordinary, hitherto little-known hold that the Turkish war of liberation and the Kemalist nation-building project had on the minds of Nazi ideologues. Postwar Germany’ fixation with Turkey “bordered on the Obsessive,” Ihrig writes, with events in Anatolia striking a chord with far-right newspapers and official propaganda, as well as among figures like Goebbels and Hitler. For many, events in Turkey were “a nationalist dream come true, or rather something like hypernationalist pornography.”
Military ties between the Ottoman and German empires went back to long before their ill-fated alliance in the First World War. The nationalist German “obsession,” however, really began with news of Turkey’s post-war resistance, which seemed to contrast so sharply with the Weimer Republic’s genuflection to the demands of the victorious Entente powers. Mustafa Kemal’s refusal to accept the division imposed by the post-WWI Treaty of Sevres fired the militaristic imagination of German nationalists, who felt humiliated by the uncontested Treaty of Versailles. As the official Nazi paper, the V�lkischer Beobachter, put it in 1921, “Today the Turks are the most youthful nation. The German nation will one day have no other choice but to resort to Turkish methods as well.”
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"What has ISIS done that Muhammad did not do?"
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Hello,
Well the Nazi's and Muslims share similar views on tolerance and free speech.
Garion -
Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Nazis sought and found a final solution to practice upon non-Aryans. Islam at least allows you to convert into oppression. Originally Posted by Garion
Is it comforting?
Posts I state here are just my personal opinion!
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Ataturk was a secularist. I'm not sure what Hitlers admiration of him has to do with Islam.
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Perhaps comparing Hitler to other mass movements has been played out and should be retired.
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Not really. History shows that muslims are often declared non-muslim by other muslims with more guns. Originally Posted by DDD
Nazis sought and found a final solution to practice upon non-Aryans. Islam at least allows you to convert into oppression.
Is it comforting?
It's the primary reason why muslims will often claim to be Arabs even when they are not. E.g. Egyptians and Berbers are not Arabs, but will often claim to be. Apparently it is safer to be Arab and Muslim than just Muslim.Ok, that does it! I waste Professor Plum with the lead pipe.
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
As indeed where the 'turanist' Young Turks. Originally Posted by spud_meister
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Re: Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
You overcomplicated the issue to a higher level. Congrats! Originally Posted by HK.227
Posts I state here are just my personal opinion!
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